This should answer all your questions about CrossFit.
Um, I still don’t get it??
hey, keith, i just wanted to thank you for the great class on sunday. i had a great time and hope to be back again before the end of february.
Here’s a question.
I love the (three) Crossfit workouts I’ve done so far. I then went to crossfit.com to check out more information. And what I find is a whole steaming helping of neoconservative, hardcore right political perspective.
The question is: to what degree is CF a rightwing movement?
Because, to be honest, even if I love the moves, and the ideas, if the leadership is rightwing I’d just as soon pack my bags and look for a different path.
You could probably see how this relevant, setting up an affiliate in NYC. And no, I have no interest in seeing liberal postings on the CFHQ site either; I have no idea why any of that stuff is on a fitness website to begin with.
I think you’re asking two different questions:
1. To what extent is CF a “rightwing movement”: CF is a fitness community whose members hold diverse political views. CF globally has a large proportion of military-affiliated members; not surprisingly, this portion of the membership appears (through their postings) to hold consistenly right-wing views. Opposing (liberal) views are also posted frequently on the site.
2. To what extent is CF leadership rightwing: To a very great extent.
The choice you have to make is whether you can accept, at no cost, an incredible product from a source whose originators hold political views different from your own.
As for your question of what politics has to do with fitness, I’m not quite sure myself. But as Coach has made clear, it’s his website, so if you can’t take the bad with the good you’re welcome not to come.
Anyway, best of luck with your training. You should stick around (because if you don’t, that means you hate freedom, of course).
CrossFit is a fitness movement. Period. Insofar as Coach Glassman has his beliefs and shares them on his website it doesn’t mean that CrossFit is rightwing. People can have divergent beliefs and affiliations, but fitness is neutral. You either do the workouts or don’t do the workouts, but you are free to choose your own beliefs and vote the way you want.
Here in New York we are pretty liberal. I am fairly liberal. However, the one thing that all CrossFitters seem to stand behind and believe in, besides fitness, is supporting our troops and law enforcement officers and other first responders. We are committed to helping those that protect and defend us. I don’t believe that makes me rightwing. I just believe it’s good Karma.
So, you’ve been to three workouts. I hope you liked them and keep coming back. Although we will try our hardest to brainwash you into a hardcore fitness freak, we won’t try to brainwash you politically. I hope that’s good enough for you.
Thanks, guys. I completely understand and agree with the idea that it’s a fitness movement only. It’s just strange to see agendas being pushed on the primary website for a fitness movement. I would feel the same way if there were links to Richard Dawkins and Noam Chomsky being posted on the WODs.
Tommy A: I understand what you’re saying, but I take issue that it’s “at no cost”. Aside from the coming costs of Black Box membership, there’s ancillary money going up the CF chain, and indeed there’s even the idea of advocating a movement that seems to have a political component. I don’t think this is a dealbreaker, but there is the idea of “voting with your wallet” — and so the feeling that from the $25 I might spend on a CrossFit Journal subscription, $1 might go to the GOP does kind of turn my stomach.
CF seems to still be growing, so I guess part of the question too (and something I see alluded to in both your responses) is whether CrossFit is bigger than Coach Glassman (or “lauren”).
I also realized that your responses also answered the question of: at the very least, is this issue acknowledged, and how have people more experienced in CF that have differing views dealt with it. Thanks.
I agree at times, that the political postings on the main site get a bit heavy handed, but I also think that coach puts it up strictly for debate. Its obvious that he and many on the site are Right-wing conservatives, but I also think that he gives us the opportunity to ignore that. I also truly believe that the money he generates from the journals and other costs all go back into maintaining and growing the Crossfit community as the premier fitness program for everyone. I mean, I’m definitely a liberal (probably a little more moderate than most here in NYC because I was born and raised in the south) but I find it pretty easy to just ignore most of that stuff, and wouldnt want to “throw the baby out with the bath water”.
The question of whether or not Corssfit being bigger than the Glassman’s is a very interesting one, and one that I’m not sure I have an answer for. But I guess for now its kinda like “my house, my rules” type of thing.
I fear BURPEES more than I fear my Government, the Religious Right, Bill Maher, Hillary Clinton, the MSM, Mil-Blogs, Cindy Sheehan and Cheney combined.
(I dont fear bill maher..lol)
crossfit is built on the open-source model, so asking “Is Crossfit bigger than Coach Glassman?” is like asking “Is Linux bigger than Linus Torvalds?”. the answer, of course, is yes; plenty of people have taken the crossfit methodology and run with it, sometimes without giving due credit (*cough*gym jones*cough*). that said, the crossfit community-at-large revolves around the Santa Cruz gym where Glassman tests his theories and even more around the website where he posts all these remarkable workouts he designed, archives advice about how to do them, and which hosts the message boards where you can get virtually any exercise-related question answered by experts.
all that information really is free for the taking. you don’t have to subscribe to the journal, and you don’t even have to join the black box (although you should, the more the merrier): you can just go to the site every day, get the WOD, and do it on your own.
whatever percentage of gross income from subscriptions and product sales that don’t go for bandwidth and upkeep of the site and production costs of the journal undoubtedly go in the glassmans’ pockets, and that’s how it should be. it is, after all, a business. but once that money is in his pocket, what he does with it is really none of our business, is it?
(I’m debating this because it’s interesting to me at this point, yes, I’ll be anteing up for a BB membership
“what he does with it is really none of our business, is it”
I agree. But what he does with it is being made a part of the business, isn’t it? I wouldn’t even mind if the links were in the forum, which is clearly an area for discussion. But they’re right there on the homepage.
I am a firm believer in the First Amendment and Coach has every right to express his views. I think despite whether you agree with it, he has had the desired effect of getting you to discuss these issues.
You are free to write to Coach and Lauren and share your views. You are also free to post your own thoughts or links to articles that share your views on your own site.
Although, I understand and sympathize with your concerns. I think that you are putting your energies in the wrong place. I think you can learn to live in harmony with conservatives. I think you should focus on diet and exercise. We don’t want to live in a world where us liberals are too weak to fight the conservatives.
As others have explained, crossfit.com’s slant comes from the top (Coach) and from the bottom (many regulars are in the military). As a result, “liberals” (let’s use vague terms and keep it simple ) like you and I will find themselves on the defensive every three days because of rest day links and the accompanying comments. It could be argued that Coach is mostly pushing a certain agenda and preaching to the choir instead of starting balanced debates, but again, it’s his site, his rules.
If I were to make sure that none of my money went to conservative interests, I wouldn’t know where to start. Does FreshDirect vote Democrat or Republican? It’s a losing battle, if you ask me.
I’m sure (I hope?) you won’t be disturbed by political debate too often here. And hey, if you just show up at the BB, you won’t even need to read the site at all!
I don’t know if I fear burpees, but I have an inkling that they are bipartisan. C’mon, shut off your brain and share the pain!
I never would have imagined I would need to know this, but thank goodness for the internet
GDI drives some pretty sick income my way
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